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Elisabeth Debourse, journalist, writer of the weekly Mordant newsletter, and host of several podcasts - one of which, Salade Tout, is currently in production for its second season - is my guest on today's episode of the Brussels Beer City Podcast.

Over a lunchtime beer at a central Brussels cheese bar, we talk about how she is very much not a food journalist but a writer engaged in societal questions of which food is one fascinating part, frustration as a creative wellspring, the need to break out of our bubbles if we want to deal with race and representation in the Belgian food world, and having to taste terrible shrimp croquettes.

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